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PTP:082. Garland Vance “Gettin’ (un)Busy: 5 Steps to Kill Busyness and Live with Purpose, Productivity, and Peace”
Kill Busyness Before It Kills You.
Everyone is busy. And it’s killing us all.
Do you remember the last time someone asked you how you were doing? Did you tell them that you were “good…but busy?”
Hurry is the new normal. We want to achieve our dreams and live a significant life, so we cram our calendars with nonstop activities.
Instead of feeling fulfilled, we’re distracted, exhausted, and overwhelmed. We have too much to do and not enough time.
But it doesn’t have to be this way!
In Gettin’ (un)Busy, you’ll learn:
the inhibiting beliefs that keep you trapped in busyness
why time management isn’t the solution
how to attain your biggest goals
the unwanted commitments that keep you from your priorities
how to take control of your life so that you don’t burn out
and much more….
Brad Miller 0:00
We have garland Vance with scars advances and author of the newly released book, getting on busy. And you can find that at getting on busy books. com that's gigttinunbusybwok.com. So you make sure you get the spelling right there and we'll talk about that. Garland has been helping people and teams get clarity on their about their lives and their leadership. He's been doing that for over 20 years. He is an author and a speaker and a consultant. He is a has a great wife named Dorothy and he is in fact he co founded a organization advance leadership. And he has a is all about helping people overwhelm, who are overwhelmed to become influencers and live their life with purpose and productivity and with peace, and he is a senior consultant was Suarez. Leadership is a doctorate in leadership and spiritual formation for Denver, Denver.
seminary. And he's especially in his research and his doctoral degree was the study of dizziness. apropos topic, welcome to pathway to promise, Dr. Garland Vance.
Garland Vance 1:14
Hey, thanks so much Dr. Brad Miller. It is great to be here. Thanks for for having me. And I'm excited to talk with you and to share with your listeners about business and purpose, productivity and peace. It is such an appropriate thing to talk about here garlin I literally just just a little while before we got together to have a conversation here. My have a 21 year old son who's starting his senior year of college and he left the house here.
Brad Miller 1:46
Not too long before we chatted, and the topic of our conversation was how busy he is. Busy his life is with he's getting ready to start classes and moved into a new place and
As a part time job at the university, bookstore and social life and all kinds of other things that he's in. And he just felt he was talking about how overwhelmed that he felt in his life and how busy and he is common refrain. I think a lot of folks business, what's business to find it for us? carlon? What is that? Sure. So I defined business as an over commitment to too many good commitments. So let me unpack that just a little bit. All of us who are over committed, whether that's your son, whether that's a CEO or a stay at home parent, everybody I know who's over committed, they're over committed because they have so many good commitments, school is good church activities are good work is good, family is good. You know, everything we're doing is good. But when you put it all together, it becomes too much. It's kind of like when I was in middle school and I would go to an all you can eat by
Garland Vance 3:00
Faye, and all of the food on the buffet was good, but by the end of the meal, I would feel sick because too many good things put together become bad and that's what business is.
How's that impacted your life? My man? How is that? You said that impact you that episode of the buffet, you're talking about there. But I got a feeling that maybe been some larger life events that have happened here in life that you've had to deal with to overcome in some form or another how has been too busy, put some blocks or some HAMP hampered your life in some way. Sure. So it was about five years ago that I went to a doctor's visit with some pretty serious physical problems. I've always been in good health, but I was having four chronic problems that I wanted to talk to my doctor about. The first was I was having chronic migraine headaches, three or so migraine headaches.
per week, and it would be where I would come home and have to go to bed and sleep, you know through the night because I was in so much pain. So I was having those these migraine headaches. I was having severe forgetfulness where I would have conversations with people walk away from those conversations and the next day they would reference them and I would have no idea what they were talking about. Third problem I was having is I was having heart palpitations, I would be sitting at my desk, checking email, and all of a sudden my heart would start racing, I would start pouring sweat. And then finally, I was having
just extreme exhaustion where I would wake up exhausted, go to bed exhausted, and I've always been a very energetic person, and I just didn't have anything left in me. And so I went to the doctor and I was really concerned about what was going on. I wasn't sure if they're, you know, is there some kind of tumor that's affecting me is, you know,
Is there the forgetfulness is this early onset Alzheimer's, I was really concerned. And the doctor asked me to describe my life. And as I described my life, I told him about the 60 hour work weeks that I was doing. I was working 60 hours with a chick fil a nonprofit, one of chick fil A's nonprofits. I was leading it. So I was doing that I just started working my doctoral program. I had three young kids at home, I was helping create some discipleship training for or our church. And a year earlier, my mom had had passed away. And so all of these, you know, these commitments that I was involved in, and they were all really good commitments, and my doctor looked me in the eye, he put his hand on my shoulder, and he said, Garland. I'm concerned for your life, because stress is killing you. Hmm, wow. And I
So yes, yes, a really, these the physical health manifestations of your stress and your business was impacting you on a much deeper level than you really appreciate it. He went to the doctor was Yeah, absolutely. And when he told me that I, you know, he said your stress is killing you I I actually got very frustrated with him, because I didn't consider myself a stressed out person. And so I said to him, I said, I don't feel stressed out. And he said, Well, your head does three times a week. And, and that big wake up call for me. And so I said to the doctor at that time, why, why do you think I'm stressed out? And he said, because you're so busy. And my response, Brad was, Well, yeah, I'm busy, but everybody's busy. In fact, ask anybody on the street, how they're doing, and they're going to tell you that they're busy. I'm know you know, I know that I'm busy but so as everybody else, and he again looked me in the eye and he said,
know everybody's busy, and it's killing us all. And it was a wake up call for me and and I didn't believe him at first I really said no, I gotta do some research around this to make sure my doctor is not crazy You sound like you might have thought he was maybe even speaking some sort of a metaphysical terminology or you know, just an example, you know, like
Brad Miller 7:23
extreme example, you're killing yourself. It can be thought of it, but in a way that you were just an example of that, but he was really talking about physically healthy was killing you. Right? You were going to die,
Garland Vance 7:35
you know, right. Yeah. He's He's looking at me and saying if if your way of life doesn't change, physical death is not like he wasn't exaggerating, physical death will be the result.
Brad Miller 7:46
You think that's the case for a lot of folks early?
Garland Vance 7:49
Yeah. If you know, so it's, it's interesting. Brad, what I ended up doing is I started researching it. And I was working on a doctorate at the time. And so I started researching the effects of business and what business does two leaders and, and I can tell you that the effects of business are profound. It's it has been linked to colitis, diverticulitis, two diabetes, two major stress, migraine headaches, or, or shoulder tension. It's even been linked to karoshi, which is death by overwork. And in Japan, there are people who are over committed so much that they've created a term for these people who drop dead at their desk, and its death by overwork. And, and it's a result of an over commitment to too many good commitments. And, and, and what's crazy is, is it's not just physical problems. In my research, I found there's emotional problems, relational problems that result from it, there are spiritual problems that come about, there's a diminishment of our productivity. And there's even whole organizations who are so over committed and busy, that it's actually hurting the bottom line for them, and it's hurting their customer service. So it's really kind of an epidemic. In fact, some people call it some people have said that business is the new smoking.
Brad Miller 9:20
Wow. Yeah. So culture as it at our culture has a lot to do with the expectations of being busy. And course with social media and, and pressures of our workplaces and so on, there's always an expectation to produce produce produce. Yeah, it just continues to put stress on us. And, and we, we have to take, what I'm hearing you say is that we this could either happen to us let it happen to us, or we can take some control of this. And it sounded like you chose to take some control and your circumstances. Yeah, so I'd like to be I'm interested in hearing you. I know, you've done a lot of research on this. But I find a lot of research online stems from our own personal experiences. And tell me little bit about your personal experience, what sort of things you did then share in reaction to that doctor's visit? What did you do then to counteract? You said you did some studies about it. So interested in how you implemented what you learned what you chose to do that? Right?
Garland Vance 10:19
Yeah, so I had to go through some, some steps. And it wasn't until after taking them that you really begin to to realize what you did. But the first step that I had to take is I had to decide that business was not worth it, that it wasn't worth the toll it was taking on my body, it wasn't worth the effect that it was going to have on my friends on the work that it was doing on my family. So I had to decide and really put a stake in the ground and say, That's it, whatever it takes, I'm going to learn to beat this. And then the second step that I had to do is I had to begin deconstructing some of the the beliefs I had and the inhibiting beliefs in particular that were keeping stuck in business. And what I found is I had three inhibiting beliefs, and that was, I need to be more, and therefore I need to do more. And as a result of that, I need to get more. And and that getting more wasn't for me, physical things, it was experiential opportunities. And so I had to deconstruct some of these false beliefs that, you know, I'm not enough, I'm not good enough. My value is found in what I accomplish. And even though I had taught people for years, through my my ministries, that that that was not true, you know that our value is found in the fact that we are children of God, even though I taught that I didn't practice that in the way that I I acted. And so once I began to deconstruct some of those, inhibiting beliefs, then I had to deconstruct some over commitments and some unwanted commitments that I had. And really began to strip away commitments that were not life giving to me, things that I had said yes to that I shouldn't have said yes to or that I didn't need to say yes to and really had to go through a lot of soul searching of, I've only got limited time and limited energy, and how much am I going to get? You know, what, am I going to get bad time and energy
Brad Miller 12:22
grows? Was this simply a matter of setting priorities? Or there? Was there something deeper here than that? Tell me about you kind of how you did is how you sorted out these things. So as he, as you said, you had a lot of good stuff going on. But how did you actually do it? How did you use writing zone?
Garland Vance 12:39
Right? Yeah, so for me, it wasn't so much about priorities as it was about boundaries. You know, I had taught lots about time management and read a lot about time management. And so I knew how to create priorities. But what I think most people do is, is we create not one or two priorities, but we identify our top 10 priorities, or 15. And so part of it was having to minimize the number of priorities that I had. But the other part of it was really about building some boundaries into my life, where I would say, you know, at this time, every day, my work ends, I'm done, I'm not going to pick up the phone, I'm not going to look at the computer, I'm not going to respond to email, my work ends at this time. And then having three young kids at home, having to do the same thing at home. And so our family decided at 9pm. Every night, we're done. Even if we're not finished with everything we're done. And you know, the dishes will still be there, things will still be dirty, but we've got to care for ourself. And so setting boundaries was a huge part, and then implementing some some very intentional rest and sleep slowing down practices were also a huge part of that learning to walk more slowly, talk more slowly, which I still struggle with that right, I still talk pretty fast. But But all of that became just a very intentional slowing down of life. And what was crazy is how much more I actually started accomplishing. Because my mind and my body were slowing down enough to pay attention.
Brad Miller 14:29
That's awesome. It's that. So those are some intentional actions that you took to slowing down the quitting things, even when they were done at nine o'clock, for instance, and stopping work. Those are some intentional things. But you mentioned an aspect here that I'm interested in, that you just touched on there briefly there girl. And you mentioned about some kind of a spiritual element of this. I mean, I'm interested in how that comes into play here. What kind of a higher power what kind of a resource beyond your own wherewithal did you draw upon to help you enact this new lifestyle?
Garland Vance 15:05
Right? Yes, so so I am a follower of Jesus Christ. And and so part of that was I started going to the Bible to understand, you know, what does the Bible say about speeding up and slowing down. And what I realized is, there aren't a whole lot of times in the Bible, when God tells people to go faster. But he really tells people to slow down whether it's taking a Sabbath, or whether it was, you know, taking an entire year off with the year of jubilee. And, and so I knew that I needed him and really needed to lean on him, him very strong. Now, what I discovered in, in getting on busy is getting on busy is not the process of it is not even written, I didn't even write it as if it's a religious book, it's really written for, for anyone, but I but there is a critical element in which you've got to realize that any addiction, and in my case, it was an addiction to commitment. And any addiction necessitates a higher power in order for you to deal with it, and and struggle through it. And so I leaned on his energy a whole lot to help me slow down.
Brad Miller 16:27
Interesting that you term a few terms, something that so many people considered such a just kind of a given in life, the busy nose and the pressures, your terminal and addiction, which indicates that is something that is has a physiological aspect that you have to part. And most of us know whether it's 12 step programs, or whatever, an aspect of dealing with this physiological addiction is drawing on some higher power.
Garland Vance 16:52
Yeah. And there is a physiological element to it, Brad, whenever we encounter stress, our body releases adrenaline and cortisol because of the sympathetic nervous system. And adrenaline and cortisol make us feel good. They give us energy they, they help us to focus on you know, what's right in front of us, adrenaline and cortisol feel really good. The problem is that our bodies are designed once we've dealt with the stress to, to wash that adrenaline and cortisol out using the parasympathetic nervous system. Well, what business does is it it it creates stress, which releases adrenaline and cortisol, which gives us the energy that we need. But then it introduces almost immediately another stressor into our lives, which releases the adrenaline and cortisol again. And so we when I say business addicts, we really are a society of adrenaline and cortisol addicts, and all the physical symptoms that I listed earlier, are, are the result of adrenaline and cortisol overload in our bodies. And so we are we are physically addicted to it, and it is tearing us apart. Sure.
Brad Miller 18:10
Well, part of addiction, of course, is that constant need for stimulation, you know, and then yes, you don't get the stimulation, then you have the crash, and you have the other aspects of of the depression and all the things that go along with that. And if people didn't seek out that stimulation again, and so what you're describing really is the classic cycle of, you know, of an addiction. So part of the part of this process of you have to identify the problem, which you did, by going to your doctor and, and you're you're sharing with, with your readers as your book, how to do some of that. And you shared here now about having calling upon a spiritual force, spiritual power is a part of this process. Let's talk now about your emotions and about people in your life. Who you impacted impacted by your addiction to business you had you shared about your, your children, for instance, let's talk about the importance of loving relationships to fuel this change, you know, to help setting those priorities, what is the role of relationships, and helping you get a handle on this addiction to business?
Garland Vance 19:24
Yeah, I think that, for me, a big part of relationships was beginning to value relationships, even if I couldn't see an immediate payoff to it, and beginning to spend time with people that I loved, but also people who energized me. And so so I loved my kids. And I wanted very much to be around for their lives for much longer. But But my youngest, my young kids at that time, were were also tiring. And you know, there were there were days of where they were part of the reason for exhaustion, because little kids require so much care. And what I started doing is I would, I wanted to care about them. And I wanted to beat business for them. But I also needed to begin investing in relationships with people that I loved, and who energized me. And so I would begin, I started meeting with a group of guys who, once a week we go out, we get Chinese food together, we would talk about theology and about leadership and about sports and about fun things like that. And I would walk away from that feeling energized and strengthened. And that would give me the resolve that I needed to continue beating business. And so when I was too busy, I didn't have time for for relationships, right, there was so much that I was doing that I didn't have time for deep relationships. But as a result of getting and busy, I had more time for those deeper relationships, and those relationships helped fuel my commitment to get and to stay on busy.
Brad Miller 21:12
Yeah, that's awesome. And that, also, I believe a piece when you have to get other folks you mentioned about some of your colleagues and friends there that helps hold you accountable. If you have a right type of relationship that can help to fuel you properly. You know, some people, you know, some people have that type of relationship with their spouse, with some people with their own children even or they have been able to frame their relationship with their kids or other people in such a way that they can leverage kind of appropriate accountability, even appropriate guilt at times to help to drive for the positive things, the positive changes we need instead of just being, you know, driven by, you know, regret and guilt and things. Right. Right. See the positive sides those relationships? And sounds like you leveraged a lot of that, and he encourage your readers to do the same.
Garland Vance 22:02
Yes, yeah. relationships. In fact, towards the end of my book, I talk about how do you draw in your family? How do you draw in your friends? And how do you draw in your co workers to and business because what I found with people that I was working with, is they would, they would beat business, but then they would look at their lives and all of their friends around them would still be over committed and stressed out. And so you've got to lean on those people as you're going through the process of getting on busy. But you also have to then draw in other people into your business so that they can begin to experience the the purpose and the productivity and the peace that comes as a result of it.
Brad Miller 22:48
Love it for that purpose for productivity and peace. Because I think what's what a lot of people are really seeking. Regardless, what you think is, you know, they have a sense of their busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, but they still may have a sense of their life. What's it all about? What why if they say, if I'm so busy, and so much stimuli going on? Why do I feel like my life or my relationships are so empty or meaning less? Right? There's people are seeking meaning fold as? And many times the answer to that is not in more and more stimuli it is and slowing down and doing the other, the other tactics and disciplines that you advocate here. Yeah, yeah,
Garland Vance 23:29
absolutely. And you know, I mean, if you think about, even if you have kids, or if you have grand kids, if you're in this mode of Hurry, worry and scurry with, you know, with the grandkids, they're all around you, and you're moving so fast and bossing them around and you're trying to get somewhere you don't appreciate the those those kids but it's when you get down on the floor, and you play with them. And you get eyeball to eyeball and knee to knee with those kids, that you you enjoy them and they enjoy you. And I think that's a big part of it is we're looking for meaning in our lives and significance. And the way that we're doing it is by filling our calendars so full, that we can't appreciate the the little enjoyment of life, we can't even slow down enough to to stop and smell the roses as
Brad Miller 24:22
well. That's very true. And as it's been shared, and I've heard this said and preached it myself and funerals is such that almost nobody attended or alive cares how much time you spent in the office or how much time you spent being busy based use care, but how much time you spent in, in relationships, those those, as you said, the eyeball the eyeball and the need to need moments, those special moments and there's, if you think about in your life, there's really nothing better than those intimate relationships that that that you have. Yeah, absolutely. So now the question is here garlin, how do we get there? We've identified the problem we have I did, we've shared about some of the ways that we can take some action and but what you're all about is being helpful to other people who read your book and have your leadership programs. What are some ways because this guy, I believe, you're right, garlanded, this is an epidemic thing. You know, it's it's, it's impacted me personally, and my own family shared about my son a little bit earlier. Right? Certainly in the circles, I'm in lots of busy professional people and all kinds of things. But how do we impact people's lives to help them get this turned around and be at the same time? Slow down, but also understand they're being productive? They're getting stuff down? What are some? What are some things that people can do? help us out here, girl? And what are some sure actions that we could take?
Garland Vance 25:43
All right, so I would say so I have five steps that I that I've identified and I mentioned a couple of these already. But But the first one is, you have to decide you have to decide that business isn't worth it, and that you're going to beat business no matter what. And then the second is, you've got to begin to Deacon instruct these inhibiting beliefs that you have some of the bad habits that you have for For example, one bad habit is we say yes to other people too quickly. And we've really got to strengthen our no muscle. And then we need to deconstruct some unwanted commitments, what I found, so I, I take people in my book and in my courses, I take them through an exercise that helps them identify activities that they want to uncommitted from and what their next action is for that. And what I found is when people do that, they almost immediately get back 10 hours a week in their lives. Because they are so over committed to things they don't even want to do. So once you deconstruct things, then the third step is you begin to design you design, the pace and that you want to live at and you design margin into your life. you design your life around relationships, and recreation and rest and reflection that I call the core four. And then you design your life around your dreams and your priorities. And so then the fourth step is you begin to develop and this is where actually time management finally begins to come in and but it's how do you develop and I'm busy mind and I'm busy calendar and I'm busy habits. And then the fifth step is you draw other people in to it your friends, your family, and your your co workers. Because when when a leader begins to live at an unhealthy pace, it has a ripple effect on those that that whether that's a leader of a family, you know, a leader within a friend group or a leader of, of a workforce, when you begin to slow down, it has a ripple effect on the people around you.
Brad Miller 27:49
Hmm, that's awesome. I, I picked up on what you share there about this continuum with these five steps here how the calendar management part of it is actually the fourth step, not the initial step. Because a lot of people think, well, I gotta get control of my time. That means I gotta calendar stuff, that means I could get more rigid, and how I do my time management. And that's a piece of it. But that's 111 piece of it, you got to do the work ahead of time, and then also see the legacy part of how you share that with others. I think that's awesome. So when we speak about and when you hear, reflect now about that kind of that legacy part about that. The next steps here, I'd like for you to share with me if you will try to put put in your mind's eye or maybe your own experience about people, you know, not yourself. Now you've taught them how you kind of manage this on your own, but other people you've worked with, or people you know, who have been able to implement some of your teaching or as someone from another have made some transition in life. And so transformation to Hello more quality, a little more peace in their life and prosperity, as you said, to someone you've worked with.
Garland Vance 28:58
Yeah, so. So the list is long. Fortunately, one of those that I'm that I'm most proud of is is a friend who was with me in the beginning of this journey, her name is Jessica. And Jessica is a mom to five, her husband is an ER doctor. And Jessica like me what is a type A personality who really goes after, you know, goals and dreams, and she's just a go getter. And as we began to talk about business about slowing down about taking I'm all over the course of for her, you know, it took a couple of years because I was formulating the ideas, as we were, you know, as she and I were talking. But what I've seen is they've replaced crazy hectic evenings with family time that is rich and meaningful and has has good discussions in the evening with with kids. She told me recently that they've decided to to get rid of all Saturday commitments and just be together as a family on Saturdays, and bring other families over to spend time with them to enjoy football together. So I'm really proud of Jessica. And I would say I'm proud of another person who is named Scott and Scott's the CEO of his own organization, and he's an entrepreneur, and I've been able to work with him and, and what I've seen Scott news, he's gone from this non stop pace of constantly putting pressure on himself to do more, do more, do more, but not do any of it really, really, really well. And now he is an entrepreneur of his own business, his businesses doing amazing he he and his wife have have four kids, and he's making very intentional time to be with them. And he's still a go getter. He's still a type A personality. But he's a type A personality who's learned to live at a slower pace with a lot more more grace in his life.
Brad Miller 31:15
That's awesome. When you have that you have that piece of what Yes, you spoken of and that is incredibly valuable, yet. And also we know that forever. Yes, Scott and Jessica, that are are there that we have in the world. There's lots of other folks who have the need and have the yearning, they know their life is not quite in balance. And they want to seek out some leadership in some direction. And I know that you offer through your book getting on busy. And also through your your company advanced leaders. Yes, tell us how that you might be able to be helpful to folks or how folks can take if someone else is in our listening audience who wants to take the next step, either with you or somehow another, what would be a first step to do to get I'm busy to get some control of this chaos in their life?
Garland Vance 32:04
Yeah, so I would say, you know, part of the irony of writing a book about business is that busy, people don't have much time to read. And so so if you're a reader, then I would say a great first step would be to look up getting, there's no G on the end of that getting on busy. Or another option is to go to getting on busy. book.com. And you can contact me there I, in addition to the book, I also have an online course I do coaching for people, and I'll even I do consulting with entire companies where I work with them to slow down the entire company, as a whole. And so, but I would say getting on busy book.com. And just as an FYI, people can actually download six free chapters there, so that they can check it out before they buy it. That's awesome. That's awesome.
Brad Miller 33:01
And of course, just to kind of reminder to all of us that when we talk about getting busy, it's actually does that mean become an unproductive? It actually has the opposite effect, it can help people be more productive. So if we're thinking that the, you know, the end result is to get more done, you get more done off dies by slowing down. So awesome, good. Good work here that we will command to you Dr. Garland Vance, who's the author of getting busy and and we can find more about him but getting on busy. book.com Thank you for being our guest today on the pathway to promise podcast Dr. Garland Vance.
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She has leveraged her experience of overcoming severe health and business challenges into a winning
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method” of regeneration and the innovative ‘lead from the inside out’ programs for leaders, shines a light of
hope for those who find themselves exhausted and fuzzy brained from over striving. Julie Renee helps these
people get back to their most optimum life.
Recognized for global leadership by Powerful Women International and Woman of the Year by the National
Association of Professional Women, Julie Renee is a go-to speaker and award-winning author of 12 books.
She has shared the stage with Brian Tracy, Jack Canfield, James Malinchak, Barbara Niven, Stedman Grahm,
Jason Alexander and many more. Her books include “100% You,” “Your Divine Human Blueprint” and
“Balance Your Life Now!” Julie Renee’s Quantum Activation’s Academy is a wonderful place to learn about
the divine-human blueprint, cell regeneration and clearing interference of all kinds. Classes range for a couple of
hours to several years. Quantum Activation Trailblazer Apprentice Mastery Level, Foundational Apprentice,
Year of Miracles full-body regeneration program, Growing Together full self-expression year-long program,
Miraculous Transformation One to One program working directly with Julie Renee. She has more than 150
training and 187 transformative meditations.
The Pathway to Promise Podcast is published by Dr. Brad Miller, DMin with the mission of helping people overcome debilitating adversity in life and put them on the pathway to their God-given promised life of peace, prosperity, and purpose. Dr. Brad’s blog and podcast are found at pathwaypromise.com and facebook.com/pathwaypromise.
Dr. Brad Miller
Brad Miller 8:10
Dr. Brad Miller back with you on the pathway to promise podcast where we are all about helping you overcome adversity in your life to achieve your promise, life of peace, prosperity, and purpose. And we do that in all kinds of ways by teaching and leading and talking to great people who have transformed their lives in some way. And today we have a an author of who is with us who has she has had an incredible life transformation, she has a fascinating story to tell about her own transformation. And she is then involved with various things about the human potential and about you healing your brain in order to have transformation. Her name is Julie Renee, during She is the author of your divine human blueprint. She's a speaker, a best selling author and master health activator. She mentors individuals who refuse to play small, but are being held back by exhaustion at a fuzzy brain. She's overcome her own health challenges, and is now here to help you today as we have as our guest, Julie Renee Doering. Thank you, Julie.
Julie Renee Doering 9:15
You're welcome. It's great to be here, Brad.
Brad Miller 9:18
We call you, Jules and our conversation together. And I've been looking at your book here and learn the learning more about what you're involved with the healing the wholeness that you teach comes out of your own life experience. And where you've had to overcome some really difficult circumstances would you just share with us about your story about what happened in your life? And what got you to where you're at today? And then what's your work involved with now?
Julie Renee Doering 9:40
Yes, I literally survived the atomic bomb testing in the Nevada desert. We were on vacation of family vacation when they were doing underground bomb testing. I had exposure to the bomb and or the radiation poisoning, I had to 17 surgeries, multiple cancers. I died twice, was in a wheelchair, told I would never walk without unbearable pain and canes. And then I would end up eventually, bed bound and die of this illness. And over a period of time, have a deal a great deal of suffering. I had a moment of really realization, I said, God, you promised me the Garden of Eden and I'm living in hell on earth. And I went to my garden and in prayer and meditation singing, I sang for several hours, and I meditated and discovered, I really felt like the presence of God with me discovered how the body regenerates. At the time, I didn't know exactly what I was discovering, but it was pretty amazing. I was watching a master cell in my mind's eye. So in my inner vision, I was watching a map Supercell cells that are with us seven days after were conceived, going from very, very sick, a dying cell, like a dying stem cell to its God state. And I had no idea that that could happen. But it became this pulsing blue orb. And it was so overwhelming. I was actually crying, I was watching what it felt like I was watching the face of God, it was something so magnificent. And my body began to regenerate in a way that I didn't know was possible. And at that time in the garden, I was in a lot of pain. And I was walking with two canes. And within six months, I was running on a mountain trail 30 miles a week. And I was dancing on stage with a rock and roll band just six months later. So my body had made this incredible turnaround just like unbelievable. And the doctors and scientists were looking at me going, what are you doing? How can this be happening? Within a year I was looking 20 years younger. So you know, when you're in a lot of pain and suffering you You look exhausted? people were asking me they were saying You look like you could be your daughter?
Brad Miller 12:12
Well, yeah, guess what, that's an amazing story in of itself. And this was about how long ago you said during the nuclear testing and best?
Julie Renee Doering 12:19
Well, the testing the bomb testing, actually, people don't realize this, it went on from 46 to 76. I was 12 years old. I'm 62. Now, so was 50 years ago. So
Brad Miller 12:28
you've had this dramatic thing happened in your life. And now you've led you to a life where you not only had this personal experience of this healing and wholeness through this experience that you had, you're now involved with researching and teaching and various forms where you're expressing this to other people. And so share a little bit about what well the title of your book is your divine human blue blueprint. And so I just want to ask you a kind of real basic question. It kind of goes live what your story You already said, If divine human blueprint what what do you think makes us human.
Julie Renee Doering 13:03
And then I'm going to look at it from my we all come from this beautiful God cloud that the Divine Mother, Father God came from God came from Father God, however you view God, angels came from that God cloud, and we as spirits came from that God cloud, so we are all part of that essential, our essential nature is divine. So we have spirit, and body and we are incarnated or embodied in a body, I believe that to have a beautiful human experience is to live faithfully and with great love and compassion. But I also believe that this is a place of learning and experiments. And we have our challenges our ups and downs. That that's part of being human is to part of being human is making mistakes and learning and growing from whatever we're taking on in this body in this life.
Brad Miller 14:03
And then so you've made it your your life to study what it means to be human and to reach your potential and to have your what you call quantum energy, how you believe you can regenerate things and your stem cells, and have energy, momentum, clarity, focus, all these good things that you say in your book. So tell me a little bit about what you've learned about this process that you've described, what you kind of defined is, is what it means to be totally human. What do you learn about what is the actual reality for a lot of folks who somehow had their life somehow gone off track what it means to be divine human experience? So they're, they've been blocked, or they've been hit? Or they've been some adversity has put them off? have hurt them? Show them in what you've learned about humanity?
Julie Renee Doering 14:51
You know, I think this question really goes to, when we have a big a challenge, we want to make a spiritual leap. That's why we've created the challenge, because I believe that we create all the challenges, maybe we've created, we created them before we enter the body, so that we can learn and grow and become more of who we are meant to be. And when you're faced with a challenge, that it's going to be do you have for me, my faith pulled me through some I built my belief in God, my belief in a loving God pulled me through, over and over again, I know when I died the first time and I was looking at my body on the floor, and I was up at the ceiling as a spirit and I was looking down, I was like, God, I'm not ready to go, and I'm willing to go through whatever I have to go through to keep this body going. I was 24 the first time I died. And I think, you know, sometimes people are depressed, and they're willing to let go, or they're willing to believe what Western medicine or their doctors are telling them. And sometimes I think that the greater mission is to hold on to the body, even if a sick if it's a sick body, hold on and see if you can make that transformation for yourself and grow into the next level I had. Back then I had a 24, I had three small children that I had lost custody of we were going through a divorce. And then they decided I was too sick, to give me any part of custody. So having an alcoholic ex husband meant I really lost those children. And I moved into a life of fighting for my life for 20 years. And I feel like I grew in leaps and bounds. And when I really made my transformation is when I started saying no matter what, like no matter what, no more drama in my life, no matter what I am going to get better. Like I have this little affirmation I've been doing for years, every day in every way, I'm getting better and better. And I started noticing what fueled transformation, love and gratitude and appreciation fueled my transformation like I was getting better stop talking about any assignment of blame, have somebody hurt me or somebody did this or somebody was at fault, and started just trusting in being grateful for everything, I do have a diminishing anything that didn't work out, like making it very small, and almost non existent. And as we grow in our challenges, I think that's the idea. We don't want to get stuck in our challenges.
Brad Miller 17:47
Yeah, what I'm hearing you say, Renee, is that you took some bold actions yourself. And that's part of what you teach. Now, one of them, I'm hearing you say is to live a life of gratitude, to have to have affirmations, South Africa formations and affirmations of the quality of your life to take 100% responsibility for your life. Because so many of us gets stuck doorway. And if you seemed like you had to lease the the opportunity or the danger with divorce and health issues and custody and all that really challenging stuff that you could have been stuck like many people are or just that would be at the end of it, you know, right there. But you chose to be very intentional about moving through those things. And that's what I enjoy hearing about and how that can relate to our listeners here and to your readers, you mentioned about the higher power there, and then you how you had to call upon, you know, a spiritual life. Tell me more about how that kind of gave you that empowered, you gave you energy, whatever it was, the spiritual practices that you did that help to get you through some things because there's there's an inner, there's the outer battle with your health and so on. And there's your inner battle on they're all integrated,
Julie Renee Doering 18:57
I think, my feeling about the divine in I've walked with, well, I was a born again, Christian really early in my life. So I was out in high school, knocking on doors of my friends, converting them to Christ and, and then I matured in my faith and learned even more things about the goodness and the bigness of God. I went through a short period where I had lost my children about three years where I thought maybe God's dead because he's not listening to my prayers, and then felt like no, this is the path I was supposed to be on that everything happens for a reason began to open up. My practices are meditation, and prayer, walking in nature, and making god my partner in everything I do to whether it's a calling in Jesus and Mary, or it's calling in Mother, Father, God, who I view, as the nature of God is both female and male. So I call it Mother, Father God. And and so what I do, I pray and I pray in hopefully the most powerful way, which is not as a beggar, but as a worthy child of God.
Brad Miller 20:11
But it's a glistening, it's ongoing, it's a relationship, it's a relationship, and that that's an awesome way of put it there. jewels and more of you, you mentioned a little bit about how the power of the emotion of love was important to you here in this process. tell a little bit about how you how love came into play, whether it was learning how to love yourself, after some really devastating adversity that you had to go through, or maybe the love of other people who may be entered in your life in some form or another you shared with them. Tell me about the emotional fuel their power of love, and you're in this transformation that you went through that you can now teach others.
Julie Renee Doering 20:47
So there was a, I had a childhood that was full of abuse, and an alcoholic parent and a mentally ill parent, and challenging. And I had an ongoing inner dialogue about people were at fault, you know, family members were at fault for some of my problems. And I, at some point to said, No more, I'm not gonna put any assignment of blame, I got to be I got raised, I got to have you know, body that I love my body. I love how I look. And I love my mind and my spirit. So no more blaming. And that was the first shift for me, of really experiencing more love. Because when you stop assigning blame, when you stop assigning responsibility of anything that's going wrong in your life to anyone, whether it's your ex husband, or, you know, something didn't work out, you know, decide that this is my path, that I am partnered with God, and that I'm getting exactly what I need to move forward. And so, so it was like a door opened for loving and being compassionate. And when I shut that inner dialogue off about somebody wrong, or somebody who's at fault, then I started appreciating what was given to me. My mother's got a beautiful nature, she's an artist. And there are many gifts that I got from my mother. My father loves history, he loves woodworking, and there are many gifts that I got from my father, we did all traveled all over the world or all over the United States. And then I traveled all over the world. So that sense of adventure, I started just being grateful for the pieces that were working. And I think we as humans, we tend to look at like we have 90% of our day went well. But the 10% there was something that really didn't go well we look at that 10%. And when I want to encourage you to find that 10% of extraordinary, and stay with that 10% of extraordinary, or even the little things, just little wonderful things that have happened during your day that you can look out, I'm looking out my window at the center of Lucci mountain ranges. And it's just breathtaking, it's beautiful. And to just stay with the what's going good, and allow like water over a duck's back the stuff that that didn't work out, you know, or didn't go the way I thought it would. But I'm grateful for all i do have
Brad Miller 23:17
when we choose where we focus our energies and our mind. And it seems to me that your part of your journey of healing and wholeness has been your choices to really study and to get into and to help others understand this whole area that you are really involved with about the mind about the brain about memory. It's a person into my own personal life I had, my father died a few years ago with with the effects of Parkinson's disease which were debilitating to him. And that was something that we dealt with in our family. And I think that as a pastor I've been with many people have had various forms of memory loss and Alzheimer's, other things like that. And that's a fear a lot of folks habits, how their body is, is changing. And you talk about ways that people can improve and regenerate their brain and improve their memory, and the protocol. So the protocols and processes that you've learned, you've you've you've done some things about non dietary ways, non drug related way so people can improve things and tells you to have this process you call quantum activation. I just liked you to get into a little bit of what did you learn about this process that you're involved with? Now? What have you learned about this? And what kind of results are you seeing from your studies,
Julie Renee Doering 24:36
we do a process called cellular Neo Genesis. And we start with prayer. And we pray we this is every every faith comes in to our program. So we don't have it's not Christian directed. It's everyone is all inclusive. But we start with prayer, we bring in Mother, Father, God and the angels and beings help us. And then we begin a clearing. And we clear out blocks and obstacles, maybe patterns for dementia, Alzheimer's, memory loss, we clear that. So we do a hand movement, the hand movement, one of the hand movements, the basic one is called the basic quantum pump, we're setting an intention with the mind. And then we're doing this simple hand movement to clear energy. And we've got 12 different hand movements we use. There's two kinds of physics, there's Newtonian physics and quantum physics, our work is using the quantum field. And we think about Newtonian physics is like probably what you might have studied in school is gravity in the apple falling from the tree. And quantum physics in a very simple way, defines us as part of a field of particles vibrating. And what we've learned is that based on how the particles are vibrating, you get a better or a worse result. And so we're just rearranging the way your particles are vibrating in your field to get a better result. And we're matching them up with the divine human blueprint, which is in a perfected state, to get you to a better place. So simply doing a hand movement, we're going through a process of cellular Neo Genesis, the first step is prayer. The second is clearing the first The third step then is it's activating the stem and master cells. And we're bringing them from wherever they are, they might be at a low level, they might be a 10, or 20% function, we're bringing them all the way up to 100%. Then we're using a mirroring technique which uses sunlight of cell. And you might know about marrying, somebody smiled at you, Dr. Brad, and you felt like this, oh, she's smiling me, that feels really nice. And you feel it all, everybody feel a little bit of a flood in your body. That's mirroring actually, so that we just mirror those healthy cells to all the other healthy cells. So they get a big upgrade, whether we're doing the brain or some part of the body. And then the third, or the fourth step is using the mitochondria to little looks like a little caterpillar in the cell. That's a little tiny, wormy looking thing. We tickle, it's a little tummy and get the mitochondria starting on the regeneration, the mitochondria. Is provides fuel for the cell. But it also is the mechanism in the cell that allows it to do rapid regeneration. So we start growing new cells, and we start a cascade of new cell growth, and then followed with meditation. And that's it.
Brad Miller 27:52
Wow. So you have a jewel to sell. Like you have a process with some exercises on each level, the process, you mentioned, the hand movements and some other things that you do and seem like there might be even some sort of elements of NLP perhaps involved or some interconnectivity between the physical and the emotional, the spiritual ethic and the cognitive. It's all all integrated here in your process. And I'm fascinated by that.
Julie Renee Doering 28:19
Yeah, it is, it's a, they said, the whole brain regeneration only takes three hours, we it's a beautiful process. If I'm doing that one to one, it only takes an hour. So but when I take a group through, like we took 230 people through this brain study, we wanted to see well, how does it work when we do a bit group, and each of those participants and had an opportunity each month to report back how their how their brain was improving how brain function was improving, and they meditated every day for six months using my meditation. And we have we found out that there was some pretty amazing results.
Brad Miller 29:00
That's I want to hear about those results here. In just a moment I look through your book, which is very complete and describing your process or jewels i'd came across a to me, which was an interesting terminology. And I just pulled that one thing out of your book here. It's called spiritual parasites. And that is something I've just kind of pitched in learning more about it, what that means to you and how that it's one of the things that that that impacts our, our cognitive and spiritual and emotional health here,
Julie Renee Doering 29:28
okay, well, yeah, we have there's any number of spiritual parasites or or spiritual interferences, those are things like demons and devils and Satan and aliens and things like that, that can attach in and drain our energy. Cause negative, like, demons cause a lot of pain in the body, bone pain, nerve pain, things like that. So we just use this hand movement to clear them out to so we just really done have probably one of the foremost experts on spiritual interferences, I've documented over 200 of them. And we have a technique for clearing every one of them, we don't spend a tremendous amount of time. But if you are wanting to, like totally clean from the inside out every single thing out of you, you know, from this body from birth to now, we have an 18 hour process for that and you are sparkling fresh after you've gone through that process. It's it's a, you know, it's a, it's a good clean out.
Brad Miller 30:35
Here's what I'm interested in learning now for me jewels about, I'd like to hear about some, some stories about some people, you know, give me names, of course, but just give me an example of how you've seen life transformation actually happen. And particularly in some of the people that you've worked with, you've mentioned how your story about transformations happen. But what about others? Have you seen this happen? Especially I really actually the new trade, because a lot of people, you know, it takes a long process of life transformation, days, weeks, years, a lifetime. But you're talking about a relatively short period of time, how you can make a transition, I want to hear about some people,
Julie Renee Doering 31:14
I can think first I want to talk about the brain and then I want to talk about something we will definitely consider miraculous that happens. So we're talking about the brain first. So a fella came to me and we do most of this on the phone because I work in 82 countries now, which means I work out of my home. And they just call me and I'm working remotely with them usually, and a man could no longer speak he had had a very serious stroke and lost his ability to he was wearing a diaper and he couldn't walk and he couldn't speak he would rub. But his helper was talking for him. I did the brain regeneration. 10 days later, he was speaking clearly, he was no longer using a diaper and he was walking. So he wasn't perfect at 10 days. But the brain regeneration was helping him dramatically get back into his life. similar situation a lady I used to live 200 miles from here and a lady like six doors down from me, called me This is really funny because I was up 200 miles away. And here she was my neighbor now. And she had had six stroke. She was a high level executive who traveled professionally, she traveled overseas and that was part of her career. And she got a boy was she was traveling in a foreign country. And then it caused multiple series of strokes. So she lost everything. She lost her brain and her job and her her whole life was gone. And I did the brain regeneration with her. And within a few months, she was bright and sparkly. She sold her house and moved into a fun neighborhood with lots of other people. But things that she wouldn't have been able to do. She couldn't she couldn't really do anything with her brain not working at all. And now she was actually creating the next phase of her life. And then I think about Carolyn Stevens and I mentioned her name because she's there's an interview with me about rather not with me, but about me on it says Julie Renee and Carolyn Stevens on YouTube and she does a 19 minute interview in her experience. She had her colon removed. And she was dying. She came really she was very, very close to death when she came to me. And I was able to clear the infections the doctors had said, you know, make prepare for your end, you're dying. So she was going to the mortuary to set up her funeral. And I did the regeneration on her. And over a period of months. She got better. 18 months after we healed and took out the nine infection. We're killing her I grew back her colon. And that's you know, that's pretty significant. I've grown things back for myself also go back my tonsils and adenoids. I have I wear glasses from 18 to 46. I haven't worn glasses since 46. I'm now 62. Let me
Brad Miller 34:17
be clear what I'm hearing you say Here Jesus, make sure you're saying that through your processors actually. Physical regeneration of Oregon's I just want to know Am I hearing that correctly?
Julie Renee Doering 34:27
You are hearing that correctly? Yes. So with her, she had no colon it was completely surgically removed. Week wrote back, she had the bag removed and has a normal life. She you know, it's a really interesting story. If you want to hear a little more about it, she was a nun. And when she was she was a professor at Dominican college, she met her soulmate, and left the order to marry him. And they had a child and she was in her 40s. And this is beautiful woman of faith. She prayed every day and she got really sick when her daughter was 11. She was in her 50s she used prayer, and I did what I could do to help her and we pulled her first set of death, she was having visions of angels, she was preparing for her death, the doctors had said you're dying. She was having Angel visits. And she stopped seeing angels. She stopped having those ideations that she was dying anymore. And she slowly got better. And she said, I don't feel like I'm going to be really better until this bag is gone. Because I can't be with my husband. And she's very proper lady. But I understood what she was saying she didn't feel beautiful with a bag in front of her which was like, and that was her goal. And so we work together and grew back her colon.
Brad Miller 35:47
And so that's it. That's, that is awesome. That is an awesome story there. And you know, there's so many folks who are stuck in one form or another that's got them there either the mind or soul or relationships or turmoil and and what you're sharing with us and your divine human blueprint and your processes here, which we can find a lot more about you at your website, Julie Renee calm. And we'll put some links to the YouTube video you've mentioned here and some of this as well, I want you to speak right now as we speak to a listener of our of our podcast, who may be having their own devastating adversity in their life. You know, as you mentioned, here, water does some things you might say to that person who just feels like their life is in a ditch right now. What are some practical, pragmatic things that they can do right now, to help begin the process of turning things around?
Julie Renee Doering 36:39
Well, first of all, if you're in a difficult place, believe me, I have been there. And I think the first thing you need to do is just put things in perspective and know that this too shall pass, and that there will be a better day. So I think mindset really helps. Meditation really helps us understand that when we go through big challenges, we came to make big transformation. And so I want to just acknowledge that you are you took on a big project in your life by taking on this challenge. And when you embrace it that way, like what did I come to learn with this challenge? And how can I use this challenge in the future to help others. And I think if you begin to think about I can help others who have had this challenge. Once I get beyond the biggest part of things. I think prayer is really important. Walking in nature is really important. Staying grateful for everything, keeping a clean diet, drinking, clean water, breathing, clean air, all of that really helps. And then really, I don't know, if use meditations, I have a short, short meditations, I have an app, it's called the Q five, it's five minute meditations, if you're not a meditator, those are really good good for people who just want to get in and do a quick meditation and get out meditation and connection with the divine, knowing that you're here for a reason, because we all come for a reason. And we're meant to live a long time. And once you are starting to get back on your feet, and really address the depression, what's going on underneath that would make you feel hopeless, because that the body can regenerate. You have a miraculous system, you came with a miraculous system, it can transform, but it needs your help. It needs your heart and your mind, completely committed. And I also want to say I went through the most difficult period and I tried to have more children and I had lost miscarriages. And I you know if it's if it's your heart's desire at 58, I applied for adoption, and was immediately approved. And I had to adopt my first child it before 16 Adelie came to me when I was 59. And I'm in the process again. And once you you know, so I just want you to know
that life isn't over.
Because you've gotten to a certain age, I know there's, you know, all of these different ideas that I just have to let go of my dreams. But if you have a strong dream of I'm going to live a healthy life and I'm going to fulfill my dreams no matter what. I promise you. Life is going to be wonderful. It's going to have lots of joy and happiness in your future.
Brad Miller 39:33
Yeah, that's awesome way for us to close our conversation in terms of those big challenges can lead to big opportunities. There's never we're never without hope if we just choose to have a life of hope and gratitude and appreciate the good positive nature of your work here. And if people want to find more out more about you, I'm assuming Julie Renee calm is the place to go. Is that what we need to do?
Julie Renee Doering 39:58
We have also I love to direct you to Julie Renee calm the quiet quiet mind. Julierenee.com/thequietmind. A little gift for you to help you just to center.
So little short meditation to get you started. If you haven't
Brad Miller 40:15
excellent, that'd be a great resource and you have a whole process and courses that you're involved with as well and certainly your book is your divine human blueprint. Our guest today on the pathway to promise we thank you so much. Julie Renee Dorian jewels. Thank you, Jules.
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The worldview of the “Pathway to Promise” podcast is that every person has a God-given promised life of peace, prosperity and purpose and you must follow a planned pathway to quickly overcome profound life challenges to achieve that promised life. The “Pathway to Promise” podcast integrates practical teaching by Dr. Brad Miller along with interviews with experts, authors and thought leaders in the field of life transformation.